Saturday, 29 October 2011

Good Advice

"Every heresy is due to an overemphasis on some truth, without allowing other truths to qualify and balance it" John R.W. Stott in 'Between Two Worlds,' p 183

Take Care

12 comments:

Human Ape said...

Sorry, this is off-topic but I noticed in the left column you wrote "I believe he descended to the grave and on the third day he rose again."

The "rose again" part -- that's impossible. But you believe it anyway.

Why? You are probably a victim of religious brainwashing but why not, now that you're no longer a gullible child, think about this fantasy. For example you might want to consider the fact that after three days the internal organs have decomposed more than enough to make them worthless. Your god fairy must have been waving its magic wand like crazy to make this bull**** work.

Christians would be much better off if they learned how to think. Maybe you could try that.

http://darwinkilledgod.blogspot.com/

John K said...

Before you accuse someone else of not thinking, I need you to answer me one thing. The whole premise of existence rests on this one question; how did everything in the universe, meaning the elemental atoms and molecules, come into existence? If you can explain this, with solid evidence for your answer, then we can talk about the rest of it.
Without an answer to that question, you are on no more solid ground than I.

Human Ape said...

The whole premise of existence rests on this one question; how did everything in the universe, meaning the elemental atoms and molecules, come into existence?

Cosmologists, including the famous Stephen Hawking, claim they have worked it out. No magic was required.

Whether or not Hawking's ideas are correct doesn't matter. For every scientific problem there is a natural process that explains it. Just because not every problem is solved is no excuse to childishly stick a god of the gaps in there.

Some quotes for you to consider:

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
-- Charles Darwin

If the history of science teaches us anything, it is that what conquers our ignorance is research, not giving up and attributing our ignorance to the miraculous work of a creator.
-- Jerry Coyne

Science is a philosophy of discovery, intelligent design is a philosophy of ignorance.
-- Neil deGrasse Tyson

You believe in magic. You might call your magic "a miracle" or "god" but it's still magic and it's still childish.

21st century scientists do not invoke magic to solve scientific problems. Instead they do research. When they fail, they keep trying. They don't say "I can't figure this out, therefore nobody else can figure it out, and future generations for the next several thousand years won't be able to figure it out, therefore the Magic Man Did It."

That's what you do. You give up and invoke your god fairy and your fairy's magic wand.

By the way, from "god made the universe" to "the dead Jeebus rose from the dead"? That makes a whole lot of sense to you?

If you want to continue with your excuses to not explain how those worthless decomposing organs did not get in the way of the magical resurrection of the dead Jeebus, just let me know and I will waste my time elsewhere.

John K said...

"...I will waste my time elsewhere."
One thing I insist on in a mature discussion is civility. If you insist on using terms like, "Jeebus" I will invite you to carry out your above threat.

Having said that, your quotes are nothing more than the opinions of those who agree with you. Logically speaking, you are appealing to argument from authority, which is meaningless. The same goes for your assertion that cosmologists claim to have, "worked it out." They have nothing more than theories; theories they must have if they are to deny the existence of God. In other words, they have developed their theories to fit their own presuppositions.

Finally, if there is a being powerful enough to create the universe, it is certainly powerful enough to prevent a body's decay for three days. That was my point there.

Human Ape said...

You wrote "If you insist on using terms like, 'Jeebus' I will invite you to carry out your above threat."

Not to worry because I refuse to waste my time with someone who expects me to respect their dead man-god, as if your childish fantasies deserve respect.

Sorry but after the 9/11 religious atrocities it has become immoral to respect religious insanity and I refuse to suck up to it.

"Finally, if there is a being powerful enough to create the universe, it is certainly powerful enough to prevent a body's decay for three days."

Your magic man's magical powers are unlimited, so your problem and all other problems are solved.

Just imagine if scientists invoked your lazy excuse to not think. We would all still be living where you're hiding, the Dark Ages.

Of course I won't be back. I just hope, for your sake, you give up your excuses to not think. Your insane "god can do anything, perform any magic trick, no matter how ridiculous and disgusting it is." is pathetic.

One more thing. I would bet my life savings you're an evolution denier. You probably prefer your fairy's magical creation of every creature out of nothing, instead of more than 150 years of scientific progress. I wonder if you also believe in the Easter Bunny.

John K said...

I will let the adolescent level of (im)maturity in the final answer above speak for itself. Mr Ape is capable only of issuing blind dogmatic statements, not engaging in a rational discussion requiring logical thought. I will take his word that this is the end of it.

DonALD KIVELL said...

Hi John: sounds like you have had your hands full with this one!

Perhaps if he read up a little, he would know about the rising of Lazaurs from the dead.
Martha said by this time there is a bad odour, for he has been in there for 4 days! On the command of Jesus he came out of the grave.
Why is it so implausable then to accept that Jesus himself was risen?

I expect that your ape man hasn't read enough scripture to be able to debate the issue in an unbiased manor.

Don

Warren said...

I know I'm bad, but "unbiased manor" made me smile. It made me think of an English country inn run by people who are fastidious in their concern for fairness. They also have a restrictive pet policy including "no apes". ;)

Bill H. Ballistik said...

"..your ape man hasn't read enough scripture to be able to debate the issue in an unbiased manor."

-The standard assembly-line Christian response for anytime they're encountered with any resistance, disagreement or non-belief.
Well guess what, buddy roll, now you have a non-believer on your hands who has read every word of your scripture, including all of the oh-so-interesting genealogies and inventories.
I've read both King James and the NIV, also the Book of Mormon for added laffs.
In fact, the more scripture I've read the less I believed.
I've "out-scriptured" the Campus Crusader religious zealot trolls in any real-life encounters without carrying a copy of their own book on my person.
I would make some of 'em quit all the time, say some things and watch
some faces drop and see these faces never return.
..And I'll be here to tell you all the ways your religion FAILs, while staying within the confines of your own belief system.
I've got an eye on the lot of ya, and if you talk to me for a while and can still hold on to your dizzy fantasies I have some beach front property you can buy cheap too.
Christianity fails as a belief system and one of my life goals is to disillusion as many of you sad individuals as I can.
Thank you and please enjoy the rest of your day.

John K said...

Wow, Mr B.
I'm sure we are all tremendously impressed with your resume.

DK said...

Hey Warren:
I didn't recognize my grammatical error until I read your clever response.
If there ever were such a place, I would be certain to stay their:)

John K said...

As Dr Wm Lane Craig says in this video, it is not Christians who are claiming magic; it is people like our friend Human Ape. To think that everything that is just popped into existence out of nothing -- that's magic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3HCthi2i_o&feature=player_embedded#!

Thanks to Anglican Samizdat